Near Fratricide

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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by redfish » Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:27 am

Wonder bunch us were 'nt killed. We heard they were pouring mogas in bunkers and chunkin' in willie pete's to blow'em. Who found them chem weapons?

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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by haze » Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:37 pm

redfish, yes its a wonder! i remember a couple of the guys talking about the guard or res unit that was attached to us.(can"t remember which) they was putting rpg"s in barrels with the warhead pointing up!!!!!!!!!! talk about a dangerous outfitt !!! they removed the ones they found before we blew the place, but you know they prob did"nt get them all. it was a very large area. we found some warheads that had strange markings on them , we left them for EOD, and the chem spec to check them out. we did bring a few back to show the co & S4 ( i think it was S4).i remember holding onto a couple on top of the track as we went back to the company hq. but i don"t know who actually found them for sure. was alot of stuff going on then.
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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by redfish » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:04 pm

How many days did they blow s@!t? Seems like we had cook offs for like a dang week. Any idea our location during all that? My best calculation and tricks was somewhere between Nasiriyah and Basra. Ya'll were in a different area than we were I think. God what a scattered mess. Again it's a wonder more of us were'nt killed.
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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by tricky89 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:36 am

That Reserve unit was from FL. They also marked a mine field with the plaqards in the wrong direction, near the rock quary. Thats where i was with 2/18 Inf. for a day. that was the day before the explosion.
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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by haze » Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:48 pm

it was somewhere around there, i got the old orders of march for the 197th in storage.i"ll try to remember to get them out tommorrow.i think it was at least a coupledays of demo, cause we where running low on c4 at the end., time gets fuzzy on dates, etc.i remember about them marking that minefield wrong.Question ,how do you mark a minfield wrong, pretty simple to mark one, my son prob could. they was pretty messed up unit,hey, u remember right before the ground war started, when they was practicing(res) a chem attack, they started hollering gas. well,i think the whole bde. heard it, anyway, as luck would have it, nature had called to me, so i has prob 300m. out from our track, when that stuff started, i"d left my mask back at the track, hated that thing,here i was tending to nature when they started hollering gas!!!. i remember thinkin" well, this just sucks!!!"
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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by tricky89 » Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:11 pm

Yea, i remember those alarms going off alot, but we will never know what was real or false. Anyway, they were never set out far enough to be any use. The m-8 alarm was always under question for years. It was a relic left over from the 70s from bad contracts the goverment had with Defence companys. The mask were also of no use as far as Bio chemicals of today. Some of the stuff would melt the filter like butter. MOPP I MOPPII MOPPIII was a joke. about as usfull as duck and cover.
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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by haze » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:34 pm

ya, the alarms were always going off, we had 1 go off that was about 100m out from us.i was on guard duty at the time. the test kits did"nt really show anything for sure, i think they tried 3, not for sure.it was pretty late at nite when this happened. heard years later that the test kits were bad, or at least so of them.
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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by FA1SGret » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:09 am

Talk about useless equipment ... anyone remember the plastic popsickle stick on the personal decon kit ... remember what it was supposed to be used for?
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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by Redleg13f2h » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:50 pm

I think we were quite ways from any alarms, but I remember going to MOPP a couple times because some alarm had gone off somewhere. ALso wondered about the credibility of the MOPP suit when we were crossing the border after having the same one on for a few days. We did take good care of our masks though. Remember hearing stories of guys using them for pillows and triggering an atropine injector in their sleep. 8O :lol:
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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by haze » Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:35 pm

we stayed in our mopp suit till after the cease fire.only time we took it off was to change from one dirty uniform into the dirty uniform you had on a few days before.our desert uniforms were almost black from the charcoal liner of the suits.the only people that smelled worse than us was the pow"s & the dead.
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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by tricky89 » Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:50 pm

What i was told was we (197th inf.) stayed in mopp 2 was to fool the iraqis into thinking we were a reserve unit. So they would think we would be a push over. I knew this from a major i drove to Ft. Bragg before we deployed at the battle simulization center. The mopp gear was only good for 72 hours at the most. And yes it did smell! LOL. Remember how black the carbon made your skin?
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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by haze » Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:09 pm

oh how well do i remember !! those suits were hot, i remember seeing other units a few days later,just in there desert uniforms, i was thinkin they were so lucky.......i do remember them telling us that it was to fool them about who we really was. i don"t think even the bugs wanted a piece of us after a few days in those suits... :lol:
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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by Redleg13f2h » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:03 pm

The real rumour spread to the Iraqis by the U.S. (true, though maybe exagerated) was that the soldiers wearing the green uniforms, were the "elite" armor divisions out of Germany, that were trained-up to fight Russia in the European Theatre. They figured they needed to come up with something to cover the fact that VII corp had most of thier DCU's burned up in a supply fire.
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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by redfish » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:21 pm

My brothers! Man is it good to be back on here. I remember pouring sweat out of those mopp boots. Turned our bodies black and hot as hell. That reserve unit was a joke. They had a hard time even getting to get activated. Remember they flunked so horribly at NTC in CA. ? They blew down some power lines that crossed a major pass way somewhere too.
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Re: Near Fratricide

Post by haze » Tue Mar 02, 2010 6:43 pm

redfish,
good so see you on here again! that reserve unit was DANGEROUS!!! plain n simple, did u hear that the va"s going to reopen gulf vets files an take a second look at our problems?dunno if it"ll do any good, but at least they haven"t totaly forgotten us....yet.
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