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 Post subject: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:10 am 
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My uncle, Marcel F. Pierik, fought in the Desert Storm War and he earned the Bronze Star Award. To my family's surprise, Marcel never told anybody how he earned that award and he never would. Unfortunately, he died just last Sunday and it still remains a mystery what he did to earn that award. I was wondering if you could help me out with discovering what he may have done, maybe you know what exactly it takes to earn the Bronze Star or even if there's a database of vets and their medals with details of why the medal was earned. Thank you for taking the time to read this, and I hope you can help in any way.


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 Post subject: Re: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:47 am 
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Your Gulf War Unit: 2nd Brigade 1st Infantry Division
He should have orders and maybe a certificate awarding him the bornze star unless he did not keep them. They would give a brief explanation of what happened "Exceptional Bravery in the face of danger" or something like that. He may have pulled someone from a burning vehicle therefore risking his like or he may have capture an Iraqi General or something completely different. Unless you could find someone in his unit that might remember, you may never know.

You could do a unit search on Military.com or a Google search on his unit and Desert Storm too. Many units have their own websites and some even mention awardees of thier past.

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 Post subject: Re: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:00 am 
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What a loss! Marcel was a great man. I was stationed with him before he was deployed. I will touch base with old friends if possible, and post any information I can find for you on this board. His best friend while in Germany is still in the National Guard and may be of help.


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 Post subject: Re: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:30 am 
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Welcome to the forums TL, glad to have another brother here. Feel free to share any of your experiences and/or pictures here.

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 Post subject: Re: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:42 pm 
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I would guess if he was E-6 or above he received the award for the liberation of Kuwait. They awarded our unit Bronze stars for E-6 and above and Army commendation medals for E-5 and below. Not that there wasn't a lot of bravery shown but it was a very one-sided war because of our superior forces and equipment.
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 Post subject: Re: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:46 pm 
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I would guess if he was E-6 or above he received the award for the liberation of Kuwait. They awarded our unit Bronze stars for E-6 and above and Army commendation medals for E-5 and below. Not that there wasn't a lot of bravery shown but it was a very one-sided war because of our superior forces and equipment.
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I doubt it. Getting automatic Bronze Stars is only something i have seen in recent deployments. When I went to Desert Shield/Storm we had to earn your medals.


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 Post subject: Re: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:50 am 
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Your Gulf War Unit: HHB 2/1 FA 1ST AD
Actually, that's accurate. Below E-6 were awarded Arcom's, etc. So long as there was never any discipline. It says right in the manual I believe whch grades are entitled to which award just for seeing action and being competant in their duties. It can be upgraded when they go above and beyond...

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 Post subject: Re: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:48 pm 
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I gotta disagree that the awards were automatic, but they were heavily politicizes for moral and motivational purposes.

I've never seen any regulation that said someone got an award just for doing there job and for having a certain rank.

There is a lot of speculation about how the awards were handed out, and a lot of debate as to the fairness, but each command did it differently, so I contend that no single rule exists or existed that demanded a certain distribution.

Purely from my experience, it was done in the most expedition manner possible, and not a lot of thought went into the process. Somebody said they wanted awards passed out, somebody else figured out how to do it with the least amount of work, then names and/or positions were submitted and the awards were type set and published.

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 Post subject: Re: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:48 pm 
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Your Gulf War Unit: 24th Infantry Division, 197th Infantry Brigage, 72 Engr Co.
We only had one bronze star recipient in our company. That was from CO and 1st SGt down. It was a spec 4 that earned the star.

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 Post subject: Re: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:17 pm 
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Every unit did it different, some of the major commands excersized rigid command control, others just let the system that was already in place work. I think the folks that got really screwed were the separate units that divied out across the commands ... little units at a time; MPs, Engineers, radar, etc. ... I think they just got a handshake and a see ya later.

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 Post subject: Re: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:56 pm 
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Your Gulf War Unit: 24th Infantry Division, 197th Infantry Brigage, 72 Engr Co.
I still feel that was a real problem. I think the loss of that convoy in Iraq in the recent war that got ambushed. The one where that woman was captured may shine some light on spreading detachments all over can be problematic. We were scattered all over in Iraq and it is a wonder things worked out as well as they did. as far as awards, you're probably right we didn't "belong" to any body. Not a lot of medals maybe cuz it all went so damn fast.

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 Post subject: Re: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
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Your Gulf War Unit: 3rd Bn 17th Field Artillery
The speed of the ground offensive surely was an issue, but more I think it was probably the attachment and support process. We had a radar section attached to us for operation control and supply and mess, but not administration ... we couldn't see to their pay, their rank, promotions, awards, or any of that ... the parent unit retained UCMJ and administrative authority. Of course we could recommend, but that was as far as it went.

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 Post subject: Re: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:35 pm 
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Your Gulf War Unit: 24th Infantry Division, 197th Infantry Brigage, 72 Engr Co.
We got scattered to hell and back due to the speed of attack. Many of us were by ourselves or with some other units. It was just pure luck I ended up back with my brigade. Tricky on here was in my unit and he ended up with a unit out of Oklahoma. One of our guys showed up by himself well after the ground war ended. Chaos....

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 Post subject: Re: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:47 am 
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Your Gulf War Unit: 72nd. ENGR. CO. 197TH INF. BDE. 24TH INF
i know this is a old post....i don"t remember too ,many medals, awards being given. just a handfull got them , if i"m remembering correctly. redfish, dunno about there being only one bronze star awarded in the company, allways thought there was at least two.but my memory is not the best....i remember the award cermony, but as far as who got what, i"m at a loss... don"t think anybody else got really anything as far as arcom"s.was told that we was put in for medals , but all we got was the 4 medals that was standard. i know of several that should have gotten some.

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 Post subject: Re: In Some Real Trouble Involving Bronze Star
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:47 am 
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Your Gulf War Unit: 24th Infantry Division, 197th Infantry Brigage, 72 Engr Co.
I do not remember any other stars. lotta awards but I could be wrong. When we landed in Maine the Commander asked the most decorated soldier hold the flag outside the cockpit. It war our AVLB commander who was also a spc. 4 I do not remember his name.

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