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 Post subject: TABS,WHO CAN WEAR THEM?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:32 pm 
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Your Gulf War Unit: 72nd. ENGR. CO. 197TH INF. BDE. 24TH INF
I"m new to this forum....great site by the way..i have a couple questions to ask...if you were attached to a SF unit in war are you allowed to wear their SF tab? reason i ask is we"ve got a few guardsmen coming into our legion post wearing this tab, cause they were attched to a SF unit in combat. they did"nt go through any schooling at all for SF. a couple i grew up with and the rest are locals, never been reg. army or nuttin like that , just guard. a couple older vets asked me about it. i told them that when i got out in 93 that u could only wear the unit combat patch that you where with bde,div, corps, not the tab of airborne, ranger,sf unless you had the schooling .am i right on this? and does this fall under the stolen valor act?I"m not jealous, but i believe that you should only claim or wear the medals & patches, tabs that are truely yours. thanks for any input...cliff sorry if i spelled anything wrong , thinkin faster than i can type :?

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 Post subject: Re: TABS,WHO CAN WEAR THEM?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:16 pm 
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Your Gulf War Unit: HHB 2/1 FA 1ST AD
No. They might have orders alowing them to wear the unit patch if attached or assigned during combat, but the tab would require passing the school.

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HHT 2/11 ACR, Wildflecken 92-93
HHB 1/5 FA 1ST ID, Fort Riley 93-94
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 Post subject: Re: TABS,WHO CAN WEAR THEM?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:42 am 
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Your Gulf War Unit: 24th Infantry Division, 197th Infantry Brigage, 72 Engr Co.
That is correct sir. That irritates me oh just a touch. It's like jump wings. No jump school, no wings. It does not matter what unit you are attached to. Haze, you were in the 197th, we were in the 18th airborne corps, could we all run around with jump wings on dress greens? No man they gotta get confronted dude. I am not sure about the stolen valor act.

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 Post subject: Re: TABS,WHO CAN WEAR THEM?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:14 am 
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Your Gulf War Unit: 3rd Bn 17th Field Artillery
AR 670-1, I believe would answer this question:

e. Wear of special skill tabs.
(1) Ranger tab.
(a) The full-color tab is 23⁄8 inches long, 11/16 inch wide, with a 1⁄8-inch yellow border and the word “RANGER”
inscribed in yellow letters 5/16 inch high. The subdued tab is identical, except the background is olive-drab and the
word “RANGER” is in black letters (see fig 29–59).
(b) How worn. The full-color tab is worn 1⁄2 inch below the shoulder seam on the left sleeve of the Army green coat.
The subdued tab is worn 1⁄2 inch below the shoulder seam on the left sleeve of utility uniforms, field jackets, and the
desert BDU.
(c) By whom worn. All personnel who are authorized, in accordance with the criteria provided in AR 600–8–22.(d) Ranger tab metal replica. The Ranger tab metal replica is available in two sizes, full and dress miniature.
Soldiers authorized to wear the Ranger tab may wear the Ranger tab metal replica as prescribed below. The full-size
version is approximately 1–5/32 inches wide and is worn only on the blue and white dress uniforms, and the AG shade
415 shirt. The dress miniature version is 13/16 inch wide and is worn on the blue and white mess and evening mess
uniforms. When miniature medals are worn on the blue and white dress uniforms, personnel may wear the dress
miniature Ranger tab metal replica (see figs 29–60 and 29–61).
Figure 29–60. Wear of multiple special skill tabs
AR 670–1 • 3 February 2005 301
Figure 29–61. Wear of metal tab replicas on Army blue or white uniforms, male
(2) Special Forces tab.
(a) Description. The Special Forces tab is a teal blue arc, 31⁄4 inches wide and 11/16 inch high, with the designation
“SPECIAL FORCES” in yellow letters, 5/16 inch high. The subdued tab is identical in shape to the full-color tab, but
the background color is olive-drab and the words “SPECIAL FORCES” are in black letters (see fig 29–63).
(b) How worn. The Special Forces tab is worn the same as the Ranger tab (see para (1)(b) above).
(c) By whom worn. All personnel who are authorized, in accordance with the criteria provided in AR 600–8–22.
(d) Special Forces tab metal replica. The Special Forces tab metal replica is available in two sizes. Soldiers
authorized to wear the Special Forces tab may wear the Special Forces tab metal replica, as prescribed below. The fullsize
version is approximately 1–9/16 inches wide and is worn on the blue and white dress uniforms (see figs 29–61 and
29–62). The dress miniature version is 1 inch wide and is worn on the blue and white mess and evening mess uniforms
(see fig 29–62). When miniature medals are worn on the blue and white dress uniforms, personnel may wear the dress
miniature Special Forces tab metal replica.
(3) Sapper tab.
(a) Description. The Sapper tab is a red arc 2 3/8 inches long, 11/16 inch wide, with a 1/8-inch red border and the
word “SAPPER” inscribed in white letters 5/16 inch high. The subdued tab is identical in shape to the full-color tab,
except the background is olive drab and the word “SAPPER” is in black letters for the BDU, and khaki with the word
“SAPPER” in spice brown letters for the Desert BDU.
(b) How worn. The Sapper tab is worn the same as the Ranger tab (see para (1)(b), above).
(c) By whom worn. All personnel who are authorized in accordance with the criteria provided in AR 600–8–22.
(d) Sapper tab metal replica. The Sapper tab metal replica is available in two sizes. Soldiers authorized to wear the
Sapper tab may wear the Sapper tab metal replica as prescribed below. The full-size version is approximately 1-5/32
inches wide and is worn only on the blue and white dress uniforms. The dress miniature version is 13/16 inch wide and
is worn on the blue and white mess and evening mess uniforms. When miniature medals are worn on the blue and
white dress uniforms, personnel may wear the dress miniature Sapper tab metal replica.

AR 600-8-22 reads:

8–48. Ranger Tab
a. The Ranger Tab is authorized for award to U.S. military and civilian personnel, and foreign military personnel
who qualify as prescribed.
b. The basic eligibility criteria for award of the Ranger Tab are as follows:
(1) Successful completion of a Ranger course conducted by the U.S. Army Infantry School.
(2) Any person who was awarded the Combat Infantryman Badge while serving during World War II as a member
of a Ranger Battalion (1st-6th inclusive) or in the 5307th Composite Unit (Provisional) (Merrill’s Marauders).
(3) Any person who successfully completed a Ranger course conducted by the Ranger Training Command at Fort
Benning, GA.
(a) The Commandant of the U.S. Army Infantry School, Commander, USA HRC, and the Commander, HRC, St.
Louis, may award the Ranger Tab.
(b) See paragraph 1–31c(13) for revocation requirements.
8–49. Special Forces Tab
a. Any person meeting one of the criteria below may be awarded the Special Forces (SF) Tab:
(1) Successful completion of USAJFKSWCS approved Active Army (AA) institutional training leading to SF
qualification.
(2) Successful completion of a USAJFKSWCS approved Reserve Component (RC) SF qualification program.
(3) Successful completion of an authorized unit administered SF qualification program.
b. For active component institutional training, the SF Tab may be awarded to all personnel who meet the following:
(1) For successful completion of the Special Forces Qualification Course or Special Forces Detachment Officer
116 AR 600–8–22 • 11 December 2006
Qualification Course (previously known as the Special Forces Officer Course). These courses are/were conducted by
the USAJFKSWC (previously known as the U.S. Army Institute for Military Assistance).
(2) Prior to 1 January 1988 for successful completion of the then approved program of instruction for Special Forces
qualification in a Special Forces Group, who were subsequently awarded, by competent authority, SQI “S” in Career
Management Field 18 (enlisted), or SQI “3” in Functional Area 18 (officer).
c. For Reserve Component (RC) SF qualification programs, the SF Tab may be awarded to all personnel who
successfully complete a RC SF qualification program according to TRADOC Regulation 135–5, dated 1 June 1988 or
its predecessors and who were subsequently awarded by competent authority, SQI “S” or “3” in MOB 11B, 11C, 12B,
05B, 91B, or ASI “5G” or “3”. The USAJFKSWCS will determine individual entitlement for award of the SF Tab
based on historical review of Army, Continental Army Command (CONRAC), and TRADOC regulations prescribing
SF qualification requirements in effect at the time the individual began an RC SF qualification program.
d. For unit administered SF qualification programs, the SF Tab may be awarded to all personnel who successfully
completed unit administered SF qualification programs as authorized by regulation. The USAJFKSWCS will determine
individual entitlement to award of the SF Tab based upon historical review of regulations prescribing SF qualification
requirements in effect at the time the individual began a unit administered SF qualification program.
e. The SF Tab may be awarded retroactively to all personnel who performed the following wartime service.
(1) From 1942 through 1973. Served with a Special Forces unit during wartime and were either unable to or not
required to attend a formal program of instruction but were awarded SQI “S”, “3”, or “5G” by competent authority.
(2) Prior to 1954. The SF Tab may be awarded prior to 1955 for at least 120 consecutive days in one of the
following organizations:
(a) 1st Special Service Force, August 1942 to December 1944.
(b) OSS Detachment 101, April 1942 to September 1945.
(c) OSS Jedburgh Detachments, May 1944 to May 1945.
(d) OSS Operational Groups, May 1944 to May 1945.
(e) OSS Maritime Unit, April 1942 to September 1945.
(f) 6th Army Special Reconnaissance Unit (Alamo Scouts), February 1944 to September 1945.
(g) 8240th Army Unit, June 1950 to July 1953.
(3) From 1954 through 1975. Any company grade officer or enlisted member awarded the CIB or CMB while
serving for at least 120 consecutive days in one of the following type organizations:
(a) SF Operational Detachment-A (A–Team).
(b) Mobile Strike Force.
(c) SF Reconnaissance Team.
(d) SF Special Project Unit.
f. The Commander, U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center (USAJFKSWCS), Fort Bragg, NC
28307–5000 and the Commander, USA HRC (AHRC–PDO–PA), Alexandria, VA 22332–0471.
g. See paragraph 1–31 for revocation/reinstatement policy of the SF Tab.

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 Post subject: Re: TABS,WHO CAN WEAR THEM?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:35 am 
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Your Gulf War Unit: 3rd Bn 17th Field Artillery
another note on this subject. If the tab is an integral part of the Distinctive Shoulder Insignia, the tab is worn as part of that insignia. Example would be the the 10th mountain ... they wear the mountain tab as part of their insignia ... so if the patch was worn as a wartime service patch, the mountain tab would be worn as well.

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