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 Post subject: Re: What was the scariest thing you did or seen in the war?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:41 am 
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McCaffrey was a medal monger. He tried to engage us all over the place. He Gave false locations to corps which caused some units of the RGF after cease fire to run into us and cost more Iraqi lives.
He pushed us non-stop trying to get us in more action for him to look good upstairs :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: What was the scariest thing you did or seen in the war?
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The intent was for us to get behind the RG and prevent their retreat back across the river. Powers above me ... so ... whatever.

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 Post subject: Re: What was the scariest thing you did or seen in the war?
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That was the intent yes. We did. However, after the cease fire the RGF was givin "safe passage routes" that was supposed to be through areas we were not. He placed us in their routes and caused more engagements. Over kill

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 Post subject: Re: What was the scariest thing you did or seen in the war?
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I'll have to concede that point to yeah, 'cause I just don't know. I didn't think there were safe passage routes ... not for combat equipment anyway ... that's why we killed so much shit on the highway ... destroying equipment that was supposed to be left in place.

But again, I aint sure.

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 Post subject: Re: What was the scariest thing you did or seen in the war?
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Your Gulf War Unit: 24th Infantry Division, 197th Infantry Brigage, 72 Engr Co.
Here is one account top.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27e/069.html

This site is from an extremist but there are actual accounts of this on other sites.

After the cease-fire was declared, the retreating Iraqis had been assured safe passage. Many had thrown away their weapons. Tanks were loaded on trucks with their cannons aimed to the rear. “Some of the tanks were in travel formation, and their guns were not in any engaged position,” said Sgt. Stuart Hirstein of the 124th Military Intelligence Battalion.

On March 2, deep inside Iraq, a five-mile-long retreating column of Iraqis approached the causeway across Lake Hammar, near the Rumaila oil field west of Basra. They ran into the U.S. forces McCaffrey had deployed right across the line of retreat. McCaffrey ordered a devastating attack. The U.S. military forces sealed off the causeway with Apache attack helicopters and artillery fire, pinned the Iraqi column on the road, and pounded them for five hours with wave after wave of bomb, tank, artillery, and missile attacks.

At least 400 Iraqis were killed. Some 700 Iraqi tanks, armored cars, and trucks were destroyed. Among them was a bus with civilians and children that was hit by a rocket. No shots were fired at the U.S. forces, and there were no serious U.S. combat casualties.

No reporters were allowed in the area at the time. During the Gulf War no media representatives were permitted on the battlefields without military escorts.

The massacre of unresisting Iraqis and the deaths of children deeply disturbed many U.S. soldiers. One platoon sergeant remarked, “We've blown away a busload of kids.”

That is confirmed to an extent @ this website:

http://www.history.army.mil/CHRONOS/mar91.htm

[i]The school bus and the ambulance:[/i]

An officer in the 124th Military Intelligence Battalion said a captured Iraqi tank commander asked his U.S. interrogators several times, “Why are you killing us? All we were doing was going home.”

U.S. slaughter of Iraqi prisoners On February 27, the fourth day of the U.S. ground invasion, a large group of Iraqi soldiers had surrendered to a platoon in the 2-7 Battalion of the 24th Infantry Division. One of the first vehicles to pull up was a bus filled with wounded Iraqi soldiers. The bus was marked with a crescent—the Arab equivalent of the Red Cross sign. Doctors and male nurses were among the approximately 380 prisoners.

Specialist 4 Edward Walker was ordered to blow up weapons confiscated from the Iraqi soldiers. Shortly after destroying a truck holding these weapons, the platoon was abruptly ordered to move on. The U.S. GIs, greatly outnumbered by the Iraqis, left after giving them surrender leaflets printed in Arabic. The papers promised that those who gave up would live to see their families again. Lt. Kirk Allen, the platoon commander, notified the battalion's operations headquarters of the exact location of the Iraqi hospital bus.

As the confiscated weapons were destroyed in a massive explosion, according to Walker, several U.S. Bradley vehicles, armed with chain-driven machine guns capable of firing up to a thousand rounds a minute, rolled onto the scene. The high-intensity weapons opened up.

'They knew there were prisoners there' Walker, who was convinced all the prisoners were mowed down, said the Bradleys also fired on him and the other GIs who were in a marked Humvee. “They knew there were prisoners there. They knew they were unarmed,” said Walker. “They knew the hospital bus was there, and they knew we were blowing the truck up.”

Walker left the military in 1991, not permitted by the authorities at Fort Leonard Wood to reenlist after spilling the beans on the killing.

Another military engagement involving McCaffrey's troops from the 124th Military Intelligence Battalion occurred one day after the cease-fire. A ground-radar surveillance team joined a platoon of scouts who discovered a cache of Iraqi weapons at a deserted schoolhouse near Highway 8.

Steven Larimore, a sergeant who headed a brigade assigned to the platoon, said his men noticed a group of villagers walking in the area. “One guy had a white bedsheet on a stick,” Larimore stated. “Out of the blue sky, some guy from where we're sitting begins shooting” at the Iraqis. Other machine guns opened fire. In less than three or four minutes some 20 Iraqi civilians were mowed down.

Now Top, I know poo-poo happens in combat and I like the quote from this website from McCaffrey quoting Colin Powell. Use maximum force and we don't want a fair fight in combat. The school bus and the ambulance I saw personally after the fact and tricky and Haze may recall it. They were on the highway. I do want our commanders however to be that aggressive as opposed to having their hands tied like in nam.

Here is the AAR for March 2, 1991 for 18th airborne corps: I included the whole day because this was the day of the trailer incident.[/
i]http://www.history.army.mil/CHRONOS/mar91.htm

(2 Mar 91)]

----- Two soldiers from Troop F, 3d Armored Cavalry, wounded by unidentified munition at QU 075582. [XVIII

Airborne Corps Tactical Command Post SITREP 185 (2 Mar 91)]

----- Task Force WARRIOR, augmented by four CH-47D Chinooks from the 18th Aviation Brigade, moves Class I, III

and V materials back to the 12th Aviation Brigade logistical pad by sling load. [12th Aviation Brigade SITREP, 2 Mar 91]

----- 937th Engineer Group places 37th Engineer Battalion in direct support of the 82d Airborne Division for

destruction of bunkers. [20th Engineer Brigade SITREP, 2 Mar 91]

----- 35th Signal Brigade establishes communications link to 82d Airborne Division Support Command in Iraq.

[35th Signal Brigade SITREP, 2 Mar 91]

0130 1st Battalion, 201st Field Artillery, arrives in area of operations of 196th Field Artillery Brigade (VII Corps Artillery). [MFR, 1st Battalion, 201st Field Artillery, subj.: 1-201 FA After Action Report, OPERATION DESERT SHIELD/STORM, 9 July 1991]

0330 Military negotiations are postponed until 1100C on 3 March.

0700 1st Brigade, 82d Airborne Division, resumes clearing operations at Objective ORANGE. [82d Airborne

Division SITREP 207 (2 Mar 91)]

0720 1st Brigade, 24th Infantry Division, reports a force of 20 T-55 tanks and 23 T-72 tanks moving west at QU

1787. [XVIII Airborne Corps INTSUM 423; 24th Infantry Division SITREP, 2 Mar 91, says 1st Brigade reports brigade-sized element moving west and northwest on Highway 8 at 0730; brigade does not open fire but does try to get enemy to surrender or change direction]

0800 3d Battalion, 227th Aviation (12th Aviation Brigade) closes into Assembly Area SPRUCE. [Also see 12th

Aviation Brigade SITREP, 2 Mar 91]

0809 Company C, 2d Battalion, 7th Infantry (1st Brigade, 24th Infantry Division) comes under fire at QU

160892 from an Iraqi force moving west and engages it, resulting in the destruction of six T-72 and two T-55 tanks, two BDRMs, and four BMPs. [Also see XVIII Airborne Corps INTSUM 423; 24th Infantry Division SITREP, 2 Mar 91, does not give time but specifies that previously discovered Iraqi formation trail element opens fire on 1st Brigade with a SAGGER antitank missile and direct fires; the 1st Brigade then responds with fire and maneuver in effort to block Northern Causeway (QU 221000) and employs two attack helicopter companies]

0830 5th Squadron, 6th Cavalry (12th Aviation Brigade) closes into Assembly Area SPRUCE, completing the

movement of the main body of the 12th Aviation Brigade back from forward positions. [Also see 12th Aviation Brigade SITREP, 2 Mar 91]

0900 As of this time the 525th Military Intelligence Brigade has screened 4,192 enemy prisoners of war at the

Corps Interrogation Facility. [525th Military Intelligence Brigade SITREP 151 (2 Mar 91)]

0930 Air cavalry elements from the 24th Infantry Division engage Iraqi elements in the vicinity of QV

224000.

0945 101st Airborne Division reports that a UH-1H from the 6th Battalion, 101st Aviation has crashed on

takeoff in Assembly Area PEAR (MT 10653984), apparently from engine failure, resulting in five minor injuries. [Also see 101st Airborne Division SITREP 206 (2 Mar 91)]

1030 4th Battalion, 64th Armor (24th Infantry Division) counterattacks to QU 200835, completing the major

division action resulting in numerous prisoners of war and the destruction of 31 Iraqi tanks, 21 BMPs, one BM-21, five FROGs, and five trucks.

1045 24th Infantry Division reports final assessment of damage inflicted on Iraqis as 81 tanks, 95 armored

personnel carriers, 11 FROG-7 TELs (2 with missiles uploaded), 2 BM-21s, 8 BDRMs, 5 artillery pieces, 23 trucks, and numerous prisoners of war. [Also see XVIII Airborne Corps INTSUM 423 which gives time of final assessment as 1350; 24th Infantry Division SITREP, 2 Mar 91, gives assessment of 24 T-72s, 7 T-55s, 43 BMPs, 17 BDRMs, 34 artillery tubes, 5 MTLBs, 9 multiple rocket launchers, 1 AMX-10, 377 trucks, 1 ZSU-23-4 and 66 prisoners of war with a brigade loss of one wounded, one M-2A1 Bradley damaged, and one M-1A1 Abrams lost when secondary explosion of a T-72 set sleeping bags stowed on the M-1 on fire]

0745Z XVIII Airborne Corps FRAGO 82 changes the XVIII Airborne Corps nuclear, biological and chemical

threat warning from AMBER to GREEN.

1330 Personnel of the 197th Infantry Brigade while clearing bunkers report finding suspected chemical

munitions at PU 789796. [XVIII Airborne Corps Tactical Command Post SITREP 185 (2 Mar 91)]


***Haze their talking about you brother***

1424 Elements of the 3d Brigade, 82d Airborne Division begin clearing the buildings at Tallil Air Base with

psychological operations support; complete mission by 1530 with over 100 prisoners of war. [Also see XVIII Airborne Corps SITREP, 2 Mar 91; XVIII Airborne Corps INTSUM 424 which says mission was completed at 1800, that there were 30 prisoners, that one armored vehicle was captured, and that the division reported finding several Mi-8 HIP and Mi-25 HIND helicopters at the airfield; 82d Airborne Division SITREP 207 (2 Mar 91) says airfield seized at 1300 and secured at 1530]

1600 20th Engineer Brigade reports finding minefield (about 200-meters by 200-meters) at PU 417507. [XVIII

Airborne Corps INTSUM 425]

[b]1630 Company D, 1st Battalion, 18th Infantry (197th Infantry Brigade, 24th Infantry Division) has one soldier

killed and four injured in an explosion while a detail was burning trash at PU 7292.
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***Here is the trailer incident***

1700 Battery B, 2d Battalion, 1st Air Defense Artillery (11th Air Defense Artillery Brigade) at As Salman

accidentally fires a HAWK missile, but issues self-destruct command without causing collateral damage.

----- 6th (French) Light Armored Division reports that As Salman village has been completely cleared; 203

cluster bomb submunitions and 1 250-pound bomb were destroyed. [6th (French) Light Armored Division SITREP, 2 Mar 91]

----- 24th Infantry Division reports that it will extend its security zone to Phase Line LEYTE (QU 248998-QU

252863-QU 256645-QU 250500). [24th Infantry Division SITREP, 2 Mar 91]

----- 2d Brigade, 24th Infantry Division, captures 20 prisoners, two BMPs, one air defense artillery

weapon; also discovers ammunition complex at QU 135710. [24th Infantry Division SITREP, 2 Mar 91]

----- 82d Airborne Division reports 1,000 enemy prisoners of war evacuated by division's enemy prisoner of war

team to corps collection point; another 3,000-plus accepted by division from 24th Infantry Division. [82d Airborne Division SITREP 207 (2 Mar 91)]

----- 3d Armored Cavalry moves fifteen kilometers east to the QU 25 east-west grid line to destroy ammunition

and equipment; reports total destruction today of 7 T-55s, 1 T-62, 2 T-72s, 1 BMP, 1 BDRM, 1 M-577, 10 ZPU-4, 3 ZPU-23-4, 18 artillery pieces; reports inflicting ten killed in action on enemy and capturing 63 prisoners; additionally identifies that a lieutenant colonel from the 9th Regiment, 12th Armor Division surrendered in his T-72 and is currently assisting a psychological operations team trying to bring the rest of the unit in from Az Zubayr; also reports that two soldiers were evacuated after being injured throwind dud DPICM. [3d Armored Cavalry SITREP, 2 Mar 91]

----- 3d Armored Cavalry captures ten T-72s, three multiple rocket launchers, a 122mm howitzer battalion, and

120 prisoners including the commander of the 99th Armor Battalion, 17th Armor Division. [24th Infantry Division SITREP, 2 Mar 91]

----- 503d Military Police Battalion is moving enemy prisoners of war captured by 24th Infantry

Division from Logistical Base ROMEO to Rafha; 519th Military Police Battalion moved 12 to the Theater Cage. [16th Military Police Brigade SITREP 166 (2 Mar 91)]


[i]I like kick ass commanders and we met McCaffrey before the ground war and liked him a lot but he did want to kill Iraqis. I just wonder if enough was enough. Maybe, in hind site, we didn't kill enough

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 Post subject: Re: What was the scariest thing you did or seen in the war?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:59 pm 
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we found a few rounds that were different than the rest in the bunkers, mounds of shells, color bands where on some, they where seperate from the rest. anyway, we took a couple back to the s2 or s4 can"t remember. we unloaded them, they looked at them, asked the sarge where exactly we got them. thats the last we heard of it.
my question is ...... why isn't there a follow-up report on the chemical weapons that day.......but there"s nuttin that i can find on the net.
yes.........i remember the bus...as i remember the highway, everyday,nite.........it was a turkey shoot......the iraqi"s where in a kill box on the highway, no escape.

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 Post subject: Re: What was the scariest thing you did or seen in the war?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:14 am 
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Too many units, too many bunkers, too much going on and they didn't apply their 6 P's.
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Its my only guess. Every round at every bunker complex should have been catergorized and photographed. Any questionable munition should have been handled properly and dealt with properly.

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 Post subject: Re: What was the scariest thing you did or seen in the war?
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Your Gulf War Unit: C BTRY 4/5 FA Gun2
I recently found one more story that I was DIRECTLY involved in. I was the #1 man and driver for Staff Sargent Manigo's 155MM gun crew 1st platoon 4-5 FA in this story written by John R. Gingrich, LTC, FA.

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD ... tTRDoc.pdf

*Notice on page 9 where, "I noticed 1st platoon of C Battery in position. Then, I saw a small group of what appeared to be soldiers just north of the position." WE WERE ALREADY DEALING WITH THESE GUYS. WE HAD THEM INTIMIDATED FROM THE MOMENT WE PULLED IN. WE HAD THEM TARGETED BEFORE WE EVEN STOPPED. When we were aproaching I called to SSG Manigo over the intercom, "Chief, 11 o'clock, crew serve weapons and RPGs!" I could hear that distinct double chink of that .50 cal loading. He said, "I got em!" I was thinking, "OHHHHH SH!T HERE WE GO!" He told us later that they were taking cover and if they would poke their heads up he would aim at them and they would go back where they came or run away from us. A few times they tried to flank us and he would aim that big .50 cal at them and they would go back to in front of us.

*Page 15, "They were to walk a howitzer to our location and take up a direct fire position." Moving a 155MM from about 200 meters away to 50 meters away would NOT have made ANY difference in direct fire capabilities. As a matter of fact 200 meters would have been better for us. It is like holding a Desert Eagle 3 feet from someones head then shoving it right into their face. I guess this WAS his intent.

*page 19, "Staff Sergeant Manigo was visibly disappointed in not being able to exercise his section. He had confidence in them and knew they would make the grade. I told Don Laney to tell him, "For us, it is better that you did not have to fire. Your section's presence significantly made the forceful statement of our will." As I was relaying more instructions, I remarked, "What a sense of pride and duty these soldiers have! They truly want to do what is right and are serious about it." BECAUSE We reminded him of his speach pre-war that told us, "We will NOT stop until we were in Baghdad and Sadam was dead!" We stated both, "We were NOT in Baghdad and Sadam was NOT dead, YET!" Everyone who has died thus far has died for NOTHING if we do not FINISH this. Someone else will have to be back and the next time it will be worse for them.

Note that this report/story was written by an officer who admittedly did not know what his battalion had done the past 4 days and did not know it was still hungry to FINISH this war.


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An Iraqi soldier that had been run over by an M1 tank.
Remember when you were a kid and would take a ketchup packet and stomp on it?
Exact same effect. Red crap sprayed everywhere.

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Boyette wrote:
An Iraqi soldier that had been run over by an M1 tank.
Remember when you were a kid and would take a ketchup packet and stomp on it?
Exact same effect. Red crap sprayed everywhere.


I have a couple of pics of this exact thing too, most likely a different guy though.

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Dagger X-Ray wrote:
Boyette wrote:
An Iraqi soldier that had been run over by an M1 tank.
Remember when you were a kid and would take a ketchup packet and stomp on it?
Exact same effect. Red crap sprayed everywhere.


I have a couple of pics of this exact thing too, most likely a different guy though.


I was on burial detail along the highway of death and never mind that I was told that I wasn't to touch any bodies but was there for NBC support. Needless to say I was helping place bodies on bucket loaders to carry bodies to the main hole. First few bodies that my buddy and I picked managed to stay in tack even after been burned to a crisp. There were some that would imploded after handling them. There was one that the meat came off the bone as fluids splashed out of it. We must have killed at least ten dogs also that were eating away at the remains. I don't think I've ever mentioned this to anyone. I burned my NBC gear and everthing I was wearing that day.....


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I didn't touch a DAMN thing when I was there. We only stayed about an hour or so then we headed back before anyone missed us, we were not supposed to go there in the first place but curiosity got the best of us.

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we where there abit, my memory of time kinda loses it , what only seemed a couple days was a week, me an redfish have talked more than once about this. kinda blocking stuff out , i think. i got a friend that was there back in 2004, i think. anyway , he said that there was still bombed out stuff along that highway, looked like a graveyard of cars, trucks, armor, it was kinda spoooky there he said. he also said that there was signs posted that stated that pictures, filming of the highway was not allowed.

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Haze, We were at coordinates PU7272 on the highway south of Basra at Azu Zabyr (sp?). We got there Feb 28th until March 10th I think. Lotta bodies.

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