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Veterans' Day 2007

Post by SaucyWench » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:37 am

In homage to fallen soldiers:

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Post by Dagger X-Ray » Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:31 am

That sure is one very sharp looking wheelbarrow he is walking there, hope it doesn't get away from him.
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Post by Rickey Nelson » Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:50 am

is that basic training for the calvary solider.... start at the back and work your way to the front..lmao
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Post by SaucyWench » Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:55 am

Hey, take it easy on him! :? He already thinks he got the worst deal in the western world having to do that... I tried to tell him how the juniors at Texas A&M are priviledged to do it. Hell, how many 14 year olds get to walk at the front of the parade, anyway?
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Post by rodneyw71 » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:50 am

Thats cool, do you live near a AF base, I noticed the AF pilots in the back ground of the second pic. Why are the boots in there backwards?
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Post by Dagger X-Ray » Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:23 pm

rodneyw71 wrote:Why are the boots in there backwards?
I saw the flyboy too. What boots?
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Post by rodneyw71 » Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:58 pm

The boots in the stirrups are backwards, is their some kind of tradition with it.
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Post by Dagger X-Ray » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:03 pm

Ok, I see it now that you point it out. I had not noticed it before.
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Post by Rickey Nelson » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:40 pm

go to http://www.militaryfuneralhonors.osd.mil/intro.html it will tell you all about the riderless horse.
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Post by SaucyWench » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:04 am

It was near Randolph AFB, so there were plenty of AF people there.

I don't think that link had any specific information on the riderless horse, Rickey. All I saw was information on taps and the flag folding.

The riderless horse tradition can be traced back to at least 1000s AD with the Mongol warriors and Gengis Kahn. It was believed then that when a warrior was killed, his horse was ritually sacrificed at his funeral to serve him in the other world. This tradition was "civilized" by our western societies and remains today, called "the caparisoned horse". The boots and saber are reversed signifying a warrior who will ride no more. The 3d Infantry Old Guard at Arlington traditionally uses a black or dark brown horse for this position, but in other cultures white/ grey is esteemed as well for ceremonial purposes. The boots I got were authentic WWI vintage quartermaster issue, but the spurs, saber, and saddle cloth are reproductions.

Intersetingly, the word "caparison" has the root "cap" from the Latin "caput" meaning head. Also the word "decapitate" meaning to behead shares the same root "cap". I wonder if the Mongols sacrificed the horses by decapitating them?
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Post by SaucyWench » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:10 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riderless_horse

I guess I had assumed people would recognize the horse and know the tradition. Reagan had a caparisoned horse, Sgt York, as did Kennedy, Black Jack, that were fairly well publicized.
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Post by Redmaxx » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:06 pm

I think that it was very good what you and your son did on Veterans Day. We held a ceremony at our Post because we though that it was BS that the city wanted to do it on Monday. The city also kicked us out of the ceremony (we had the honor guard and the AL was doing the flag raising and lowering) but they told us that the Police Department was doing all that. They wanted the veterans out of veterans day so that they could turn it into police officers day. :evil:
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Post by rodneyw71 » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:39 pm

See, you learn something new every day. I wish there was a book on all of the Military traditions.
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Post by Rickey Nelson » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:55 pm

we had a veterans day parade here saturday. they didn't kick these redneck boys out. my post had the color guard leading the parade.. It was a big sucess for veterans of every war and conflict....
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