Capt. Michael Scott Speicher....More clues

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What do you think Capt. Michael Scott Speicher's status is?

Ejected Successfully - Captured - Still Alive
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Ejected Successfully - Captured - Dead
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Capt. Michael Scott Speicher....More clues

Post by troutster » Thu Apr 24, 2003 10:36 am

More news today regarding his status, and possible imprisonment. Please share your thoughts.

Initials may offer clue to missing Gulf War pilotFrom Jamie McIntyre
CNN.com
Thursday, April 24, 2003 Posted: 8:57 AM EDT (1257 GMT)

"MSS" appears on the prison wall, but there is no evidence Speicher is still alive.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- After an initial search of several sites in Iraq, U.S. investigators have found a clue indicating a U.S. Navy pilot who was shot down in the Gulf War may have been alive years after the fact, Pentagon officials told CNN Wednesday.

A team of U.S. specialists looking for Capt. Michael Scott Speicher found what appear to be the initials "MSS" scrawled on a wall of a cell in the Hakmiyah prison in Baghdad, an official tells CNN.

Investigators have still found nothing that indicates he is alive today.

A CNN crew went to the prison and shot video of the initials.

The importance of the find, according to Pentagon officials, is that it appears to corroborate intelligence from an informer who told the United States Speicher had been held at the prison.

In other cases, U.S. search teams found evidence in Iraq that contradicted previous intelligence and indicated some informants were lying about what they knew about Speicher, officials said.

"We know that some of the sources ... gave us information that was intentionally not true," the official said.

Speicher, who was promoted to captain while he was missing, was initially declared "killed in action" on the first night of the Gulf War in January 1991. Subsequent evidence showed that he ejected from his F-18 and fell into the hands of Iraqi military or paramilitary forces, Pentagon officials say.

Capt. Michael Scott Speicher is now officially listed as "missing captured."
He is now officially listed as "missing captured."

The Pentagon briefed several members of Congress this week on the latest developments in the search for Speicher.

Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Florida, who was among those briefed, told CNN there has been no evidence discovered since the start of the war in Iraq that suggests Speicher is still alive, but that he believes Speicher may be alive based on intelligence gathered before the war.

"I know of no evidence since we have gone into Iraq, that leads me to the conclusion that he is still alive. I have no recent information," Nelson said.

Nelson is also convinced someone in Iraq knows what happened to Speicher.

"My opinion is that certain ones in this group of 55 (most wanted Iraqis) have the knowledge of the secret prison system for high-value prisoners, and wherever they find those, that's going to unlock the secrets of Speicher's fate," Nelson told CNN.
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Post by Saskia » Thu Apr 24, 2003 12:50 pm

Scary thought if he is still alive and has been in a prison for so long. But, as the article says, we shouldn't draw early conclusions because there's not enough evidence that shows he is alive. But there's also not enough evidence saying he is dead. We just can't tell, but as senator Nelson said: somebody in Iraq knows what has happened to him....


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Post by Marine grunt » Thu Apr 24, 2003 2:16 pm

I just hope they can find him alive...time will tell. :cry:
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Post by dave101tlhs » Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:37 pm

I hope they find him alive as well, but if not at least find him. Bring him home to his loved ones.
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Post by troutster » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:30 pm

I think he was captured and am leaning toward believing that there is a good possibility that he is alive. I just read an article that mentioned that after the war with Iran, Saddam held a POW for 17 years then just released him back to Iran!

If he is still alive, I'm sure some good Iraqi will speak up and let us know, even if just for the reward we would give for such information.
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Post by Thomas2000 » Sun Apr 27, 2003 9:55 am

I have been very optimistic that he was still alive, but now I am starting to wonder. I think with the crumbling of that nation, someone would have, or still may, come forward and say where he is, or what happened to him.

We can still hope.....
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Post by Saskia » Thu May 01, 2003 2:52 am

And we shouldn't give up hope, I think
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Post by Hawk » Sat Sep 06, 2003 3:32 am

:?: has anyone heard any more on this? or has it been swept to the side and forgotten.
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Post by Hawk » Sat Jan 31, 2004 12:02 am

news article 1/30/04

U.S. hunts for missing Gulf War pilot
From Barbara Starr
CNN Washington Bureau
Friday, January 30, 2004 Posted: 0059 GMT ( 8:59 AM HKT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. military officials said Thursday a desert nomad in Iraq might be the last hope to learn what happened to Navy pilot Scott Speicher, shot down the first night of the Persian Gulf War 13 years ago.

The Iraq Survey Group, which in addition to searching for unconventional weapons is charged with hunting for Speicher, plans to send experts in the next day or so to the area where Speicher crashed to search for the Bedouin tribesman.

It is believed this is the time of year the tribe regularly moves through the area.

Several U.S. military officials confirmed the essential details of this latest search to CNN.

Sources said the hope is the tribesman will be able to provide details about intelligence gathered since Speicher's F/A-18 was shot down January 17, 1991.

The information indicates a Bedouin might have recovered and buried the body of an American, and has a pistol that might have belonged to Speicher.

The sources emphasized this information has been circulating for several years but they have not been able to get into the region to look for the man until now.

Intelligence officials are split, however, on whether the man will have details that could actually lead to Speicher's body.

At least one senior intelligence official told his staff he is "hopeful" because the Bedouin are not likely to lie, even to Americans. But others are more skeptical, according to sources.

In January 2003, a report from the Navy was made public indicating reasons Speicher might be alive. The report focused on these factors:

• Analysis of the wreckage concluded Speicher survived the initial damage to the aircraft and ejection.

• The flight suit found near the wreckage and turned over by the Iraqis showed no signs of a crash impact, as it would have if the pilot had been in the plane when it hit.

• The Red Cross team that investigated the wreckage reported the cockpit had been expertly dismantled.

• Cumulative information received since Speicher was shot down continues to suggest strongly that the Iraqi government could account for him.

There have been numerous reports about the fate of the pilot, but there has been no solid evidence to indicate what happened to him.

Initially the Navy declared Speicher the Gulf War's first combat death and his status was listed as "killed in action." Eventually his status was changed to "missing in action."

In October 2002, Navy Secretary Gordon England signed an order to change Speicher's status a third time from "missing in action" to "missing-captured." Speicher was promoted to captain that same year.
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Post by RichardLowry » Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:52 am

As you may already know, I spent 12 years researching Desert Storm for my book: "The Gulf War Chronicles." I do not have any information one way or the other on the status of Scott Speicher. However, I remember reading in LtCol Acree's book: "The Gulf Between US," that when he was being held in the Baghdad Hilton he heard a rumor that a pilot had escaped and was stabbed to death on the streets of Baghdad.

While Lieutenant Commander Speicher is the only pilot not accounted for, this could have been his fate.

While I would like to believe that Captain Speicher is still alive, that is highly unlikely. It is very likely that he survived the crash of his F/A18 but he did not survive his captivity.

After reading LtCol Acree's account of his captivity, Andy McNab's account, as well as others it is surprising that more of the POWs were not killed during their captivity. The Iraqis were extremely brutal in their handling of our prisoners.
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Re: Capt. Michael Scott Speicher....More clues

Post by msmith1705 » Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:10 pm

I wish I was able to help Michael Speicher when his plane went down, If it was not for my Platoon leader he would still be alive. It haunts me to this day....
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Post by Dagger X-Ray » Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:25 pm

msmith1705 wrote:I wish I was able to help Michael Speicher when his plane went down, If it was not for my Platoon leader he would still be alive. It haunts me to this day....

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Post by msmith1705 » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:56 pm

Hello,

I am Michael Smith I was in the HHT 1-4 cav unit with the 1st infantry division stationed at Fort Riley, KS. I remember that night like it was yesterday. I was driving my platoon leader around and of course he got us lost. I do not know what the exact coordinates were, but a 1/2 mile away we saw a fire ball that lit the sky up like the 4th of july fireworks. I was slowly driving that way for I did not want my Plt. leader knowing what I was doing. as we got closer I saw that it was a plane not knowing who it was, and saw a parachute on the ground with a person hurt trying to get unhooked. At that time my plt. leader order me to go in a different direction and get out of that area. It was a day and a half before we found our CP, and that is when we found out about Capt. Michael Scott Speicher. Deep in my heart I knew it was him we saw, I kick myself for not disobeying the order....
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Post by Cpt.Tamm » Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:09 am

Ohh s***, this might be hard for you.
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Post by Dagger X-Ray » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:25 am

Man, that has got to be eating away at you. Did you pass that on to anyone after you returned to your unit? Have you reported any of that to the Gulf War Registry? They asked me lots of questions after I mentioned that I was in the area of 2 soldiers clearing bunkers that got into some nerve agent.
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